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February 20, 2008

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Katie from Albuquerque

I looked up your blog because I loved the name. I remembered hearing in a sermon recently that God didn't call us to be meek and wimpy be to be radical and radically different-to change the world around us. I love that!

Your blog is wonderful, your writing insightful. This article is so sad. My kids are grown now and I remember struggling with this, working off and on and finally deciding to sacrifice everything our friends had in the way of not only luxuries, but really-just enough, in order to stay home with my kids until they were in their mid teens. It was good and it was also rough and I hated it sometimes-but I don't regret the decision I finally was able to make, though I felt guilty doing so. Now that I'm middle aged and out there working, it feels fitting and timely and my kids are proud of me. They look to me as an example of what's possible in life.

I would never begrudge a woman to make that choice for themselves, but I can surely sympathize with the thought that when our Moms stayed home with us because there wasn't a choice-it seems like it was so much easier for a woman's peace of mind. Less guilt. Less over-burden to the nth degree until you feel you're drowning from overwork.

Katie from Albuquerque

Julie

Carolyn~
Thank you so much for your blog. I am very interested to read your upcoming book. This blog post in particular hit home for me as I was recently at a "Women's Networking" event put on by the Diversity Committee of my company (engineering firm). This event was meant to help build a network of community for women within the company. During my time with these women, the topic of motherhood while working was a recurrent theme. These women were the "high performers" in the company and what I heard from them over and over was their guilt about not being with their children. My heart broke for these women as I realized for them, there appeared to be no hope. True hope for these women is found in the Gospel, but that isn't the accepted norm in this "Woman's World" society. I was the outcast as I described my desire to forgo my professional career (engineering) to stay at home when I have children. In your research, have you found information or interviewed women that have done just that for the Glory of God? Feminism certainly has swung to the other end of the spectrum as being a stay at home mom is now truly radical. I find it interesting that the statistics for women in enginering or other scientific fields hasn't continued on the incline as it did immediatley after the adoption of Title IV. The numbers have actually begun to decrease since the 1990s. I think this is a true indication of God's design for women. I hope your book will help communicate the bibilical truth for women.
Thanks again so much for your ministry here. You are truly glorifying God!
Blessings,
Julie

Trish Ryan

Wow. What a provocative, heart-wringing article. Thanks so much for posting this...it really puts tough choices in perspective.

Bine

Thank you so much for posting this! In particular I was touched by this statement: "My mother’s generation fought hard so that a woman like me could earn a higher degree and have a prestigious career and make more money that most of her male co-workers. Feminists fought so their daughters could integrate into a man’s world, and perhaps, take it over. I am woman, hear me roar." I can so relate. For my entire adult life I have struggled with being in positions where I was the primary breadwinner...in my first marriage because neither my ex nor I were believers and he believed women should work, then as a single mom after my ex decided to leave...and now as a Christian who is about to marry a man who makes a fraction of my income and pays child support to his ex. With becoming a Christian, my attitudes and beliefs about the role of a woman have changed significantly yet now I am struggling to crawl out from under the mountain of past disbedience and learning to rely on God's provision. I don't feel I can just up and quit my job as my groom to be would not be able to keep us afloat financially...he would not even come close. So what's a girl to do...pray, pray and pray while I continue to contribute to the family income. Meanwhile I watch my children who are now in school attend after-care programs.

Jan

Let me tell you something - I was 30 years old when I had my only son & I swore if I had to go barefoot & have nothing I would be a stay-at-home mom & God honored that desire because I truly believe it is His desire also. I don't care what anyone says - I wanted to raise my own baby - there is no money in this world that can take the place of that for sure. I do so treasure all those years I got to stay at home with him where I belonged. God provided all my needs according to His wisdom/riches & that was all that I needed or required. It is a choice that you make with God beforehand & my face was set like flint & God was with me in the decision/provision.

Jan Carver

ReformedMommy

I've never really missed the money we had before we had our 3 children, but what I do continue to struggle with is the sense of accomplishment and reward I had in the workplace. Parenting is unrelenting, exhausting and seemingly fruitless for long periods of time, on top of the fact that the job has so much more eternal import than any secular one. In every sin or bad habit of my kids I see my own sin or neglect, and what litle progress they/we make only comes after weeks or months or sometimes years of work. The words of praise are few and far between. I know that my reward will be in heaven, and I see how much sanctification and godly broken-ness being a mother has wrought in my life, but our culture is so caught up in the instant-gratification/reward mentality that a biweekly paycheck and regular attaboys afford. Sometimes it's hard to trade that mindset in for the (seemingly) far in the future "well done, good and faithful servant."

Bernie Kawazoe

Thank you for such a thought provoking article. I'm sure that this gal is one of many that feel this way daily and have been indoctrinated to believe that a definition of success is a "having it all", i.e. career, husband, home, kids, and other extra curricular activities.
I remember being pregnant with my 1st child (I have 4 now), believing that I would continue to work out of the home because I had "worked so hard" to get to where I was. But God, in His kindness, really soften my heart in the 8 weeks that I was home with my daughter. I went back to work full-time, commuting an hour and a half each way and I was miserable. God finally broke me and I put in my resignation, with hesitation, but in faith that God would meet all our needs. He honored our decision and I've been blessed to work part-time from home for the same company for 7 years now! I've only had to go into the office once or twice a year.
My heart breaks for ladies that have to leave the primary care of their children to others. It's a hard road to travel, but God is faithful to meet needs if they believe they belong at home. I can say that because I've lived it. But it took my obedience and a step of faith, first. And then, He graciously honored that obedience.

Melissa

Carolyn,
I have been reading your blog and anything writte by you for a year-and-a-half now and continue to be encouraged daily by it. It was especially interesting to read your article today, as I just wrote on my own blog yesterday about a new TV program entitled, "Secret Life of a Soccer Mom". The program unforunately looks like more ridicdulous propagation about why women should pursue their dreams in career and ignore their responsibilities to home and family. Keep up your God-honoring work and thank you for generously sharing it with us!
In His Love,
Melissa

Debbie V.

I may be missing the point but it seems to me that it is as one commenter said about "choices", but I don't think we are trapped by our choices. As Christian women we have the Lord who works all things out in our lives for good.

A lot of moms do work so that they and their family can eat, have clothing and a roof over their heads. In this case, working IS NOT a choice. There is very little left over for extras, and certainly not soccer fees or minivans. They learn to accept the situation, love their families the best they can, and trust God to take care of the big picture. They are thankful that their needs are met.
If a family is able to make do on the husband's salary, so that there IS a choice for the mom to earn money at a job, I don't see anything wrong with wanting to improve living conditions. What each family considers "better" is up to them. In this case, if the mom chooses to work, and it turns out that her time would be better spent at home, then she can return to staying home full time, because she has a choice.

jaia

Thanks, Carolyn; as always, I find your advice encouraging and wise in both of your last 2 posts.

With my husband's and parents' support and encouragement, I recently completed my doctorate in education (which I started before I was a wife or mother). By the world's standards and the opinion of my colleagues and professors, I'm now "wasting" the opportunities and gifts I've been given by staying at home with my 3 young kids instead of blazing trails of reform out in the world. By God's standard (though I confess I struggle at times with it), I'm honoring my God and my family, and changing the world - hopefully - by raising up Kingdom citizens who adore God and are learning about grace and the gospel in daily life. THAT has truly been the BEST gift and blessing of all.

I echo the comments made to your previous post supporting finishing school and the benefits of education (not necessarily the "degree") in marriage and parenting. I also wanted to add that my husband frequently reminds me that anytime we find our righteousness ANYWHERE besides the cross of Christ - whether it's in working or staying at home, in a degree, a job, or in our kids - we'll ultimately become discontent and disillusioned with our efforts, and Christ and the gospel are diminished in our lives. And oh, how easy it is to build up a false righteousness in the decision to stay at home and in the perceived benefits to my children! I think, sadly, the "mommy wars" (between stay-at-home and working moms) are at times most distinct in the pride and self-righteousness demonstrated by those of us in the church.

Our family's been blessed in that we haven't been impacted financially by our decision for me to be at home. I know that is a big issue for a lot of people, especially here in CA where it sometimes seems impossible for a family to live on one income. One piece of pragmatic advice I got from your blog that I have often passed on to young couples is to start budgeting and living on ONE income, even when you still have two. It's hard and it hurts...but far less so than when you try to make that move under duress :).

Blessings to you, Carolyn, and sorry for the long, rambling post!!

Emily

Carolyn,
Thank you for posting this very thought-provoking article. My heart goes out to that dear woman; how many more women there are in the workforce who feel exactly the same, Christian and non-Christian alike. It is so telling of our times.

Lisa writes...

What a heart wrenching article. Her despair and resignation and sense of entrapment are, as you described, haunting. I was particularly struck by the statement "we would rather make money." Certainly there are those women who must work for their children to eat and no one should disparage their choice and the necessity to do so. However, it's been my observation that most women work for the money, often claiming it to be necessary but really it's the stuff they find necessary.

I am profoundly grateful for the decision my husband and I made for me to stay home. I used to call it a privilege...and it is...but I think the term "privilege" offers the connotation that staying home is only for those who might be considered "privileged." It is a sacrifice, a blessing to be sure, but not an easy one.

This comment is getting lengthy, but I also wanted to echo something an earlier commenter said. Part of the challenge in staying home is the sense of a lack of accomplishment, which is a lie of our culture. So many stay at home moms feel as if they should be doing something "more", something "bigger." What a struggle to see with an eternal perspective and know that there is nothing this world offers--no accomplishment and no paycheck--that compares with the responsibility of raising a generation in the fear and admonition of the Lord!

I stay home because I believe God has called me here to be a mom to my four boys, but also to show that Jesus Christ is the great Treasure of this world and the next, far more precious than mere money.

Lori

Carolyn - I saw you when you spoke in Charlotte a couple of years ago and follow your blog fairly regularly. It is SUCH an encouragement to me as a single mom. It truly keeps me focused on the cross!
The Lord put it on my heart years ago to stay home with my 5 children even after my husband left me. I actually even struggled for a year about whether or not to home school them even as a single mom. I home schooled 4 of my 5 (one has special needs and therefore did attend school) despite the very heart-wrenching protests from many members of my family. I do have a teaching degree and yes, I could have worked. But instead I CHOSE to enjoy my children while they were young and live off of child support and a bit more from a very part-time job. We lived in 1,000 sq. ft. I do not in any way fault a woman for having to work if she needs to. I just want to encourage those of you who struggle with whether or not it is possible. My kids are high school aged and older now and I will NEVER regret staying home with them and spending every precious moment I could with them. I dread the empty nest that is looming ahead and I know will be here ever so quickly! Blessings to those of you who are trying to make that decision and know that if God wants you home, He'll provide a way!

Julia

Wow. I find it interesting how many of the comments here are from stay-at-home moms. Perhaps they're the ones with the time to read blogs! I worked full time while raising my children. In point of fact, so did most of our foremothers: they often just did it within the home. In my case, my husband and I owned a business until my children were in high school, which gave me more opportunity to spend time with them (they came to the office in the afternoons) than many other moms get. My children also received the blessing of getting to spend lots of quality time with their father, which I suspect, is something most of these children do not have. My choice to work wasn't about "luxuries". I drive a ten-year-old car and my television is the old fashioned kind--without a cable hookup. But I have three wonderful Christian adult daughters who are pursuing their own dreams of serving Christ in a variety of forms, with recognition that their job is to move forward in obedience to the calling of their Lord, regardless of what limitations the culture--sacred or secular--suggests should be placed on them.

Mrs. U

This article just breaks my heart. Why does this lady continue to work? Money?

My husband is a pastor of a small church in a small town. He makes just enough money for us to pay our bills (although there have been times when the church couldn't pay us and we had to wait on paying those bills!!!!). While I could have a job, too, and easily more than double our income, I do not work outside of our home. I love taking care of my family and our home. I would not trade this blessed profession for all the money in the world.

Life is so short. Children grow up so quickly. Do I want my children to remember me always dropping them off at the door of the daycare in their latest designer outfits? Or do I want them to remember me being with them all day long, loving on them, reading with them, LIVING with them?

Money or family? The choice is simple. I choose my family.

His,
Mrs. U

Jessica Gullion

Greetings! Thank you to everyone for your prayers and thoughts. It is so interesting to read everyone's comments.

This essay is (actually was.. it was written a few years ago) a very small snapshot into my life.

Unfortunately not everyone has a choice about this matter, and that's what led to the tension in the original essay. At the time I wrote this my family depended on my income to keep a modest roof over our heads and food on the table. My children did not, and still do not, wear designer clothes. For whatever reason, God did not find a way for me to stay home at that time. I can assure you, I prayed many times a day for it. When I used the phrase "let go and let God," I meant that I should have accepted the place I was in, that is, being the primary breadwinner of the family when in fact I wanted to be at home. I was, however, blessed to have a great support system, and wonderful othermothers to help me during that time, and I am so proud of my amazing children.

Thank you again for the prayers.

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    • John Piper: When I Don’t Desire God: How To Fight For Joy

      John Piper: When I Don’t Desire God: How To Fight For Joy
      Joy doesn't just happen. It's a fight for most Christians. And this book is an excellent guide for both why and how. An excellent resource for Christians who have grown weary and/or rusty in their personal devotions.

    • R. C. Sproul, editor: The Reformation Study Bible

      R. C. Sproul, editor: The Reformation Study Bible
      This is the English Standard Version Bible with study notes from contributors such as Wayne Grudem, Sinclair Ferguson, Bruce Waltke, Graeme Goldsworthy, and James Boice. It's the version I currently use for personal study.

    • Jonathan Edwards: Charity and Its Fruits

      Jonathan Edwards: Charity and Its Fruits
      Charity is the old-fashioned word for love. This book is a collection of sermons from Jonathan Edwards from the mid-1700s. It's not a fast read, but it's worth the work to plumb the concept of Christian love as understood in another era by a formidable theologian.

    • Gary Thomas: Sacred Marriage

      Gary Thomas: Sacred Marriage
      Gary asks the book's central question in its subtitle: What if God designed marriage to make us holy more than to make us happy? In this book, Gary looks at marriage as a spiritual discipline, examining how marriage is one way God conforms us to the image of Christ. Many of my newly married friends have found this book to be quite helpful.

    • Carolyn Mahaney, Nicole Whitacre: Girl Talk

      Carolyn Mahaney, Nicole Whitacre: Girl Talk
      This book, written by a mother-daughter duo, is for both mothers and daughters to go through together. It's subtitled "Mother-Daughter Conversations on Biblical Womanhood." I've given many copies away to mothers. But I've also heard of single fathers going through the book with their daughters. No matter how it's done, the point of the book is to disciple pre-teen and teen girls about biblical womanhood. It's an outstanding and winsomely-written book.

    • Lies Women Believe: Nancy Leigh DeMoss

      Lies Women Believe: Nancy Leigh DeMoss
      The subtitle is, "And the Truth that sets them free," which is really the focus of this succinct yet wide-ranging book by Nancy Leigh DeMoss. Tackling lies we can believe about God, ourselves, sin, priorities, marriage, children, emotions, and circumstances, there is plenty here to challenge our current thinking and replace it with truth from God's Word.

    • Noel Piper: Faithful Women and their Extraordinary God

      Noel Piper: Faithful Women and their Extraordinary God
      This book profiles five women who lived courageous, fruitful lives from the 1700s on. Four of the five were single women, a fact that was not lost on me. A book that will provoke you to examine your own life. Highly recommended!

    • Elizabeth George: Loving God with All Your Mind

      Elizabeth George: Loving God with All Your Mind
      By going through Philippians 4:8, Elizabeth George teaches us how to think thoughts about God and others that are true, honorable, just, pure, lovely, commendable, and excellent. An excellent book for women who wrestle with sinful judgments of others (suspicion, insecurity, and critical attitudes).

    • Edward T. Welch: Depression: A Stubborn Darkness

      Edward T. Welch: Depression: A Stubborn Darkness
      Everyone wrestles with depression at various times and in varying degrees, and this book is an outstanding resource for defeating it. Ed Welch writes with such compassion and clarity, yet with firm conviction in the sufficiency of God's Word. Each chapter tackles different manifestations of depression and assigns helpful "homework" assignments for overcoming depression. The book closes with advice to friends and family members of those who suffer from more severe depression.

    • John Piper: Don't Waste Your Life

      John Piper: Don't Waste Your Life
      It seems that John Piper writes books faster than I can read them. This is one of his more accessible books and it makes a strong argument for living wisely in light of eternity.

    • Joni Eareckson Tada, Steven Estes: When God Weeps

      Joni Eareckson Tada, Steven Estes: When God Weeps
      This powerful book explores the issue of suffering. Joni writes elegantly of her personal trials as a quadriplegic, and Steve Estes adds a pastoral voice and perspective about God's character. Includes one of the most powerful chapters about the crucifixion that I've ever read. It will take your breath away--if you can still read it through your tears.

    • Jerry Bridges: Trusting God

      Jerry Bridges: Trusting God
      In the end, the Christian life boils down to one simple element: trusting God. In this classic book, Jerry Bridges writes clearly and pointedly about what we must do to grow in our relationship with God and to trust Him unreservedly.

    • Edward T. Welch: When People Are Big and God Is Small

      Edward T. Welch: When People Are Big and God Is Small
      There's a lot of talk these days about peer pressure and co-dependency. The Bible calls it "fear of man," which includes both being afraid of people and craving their approval. EVERYONE is affected by this sin tendency, and in this book Ed Welch wipes aside the murk and provides a shining view of God's grace. One of the most significant books in my life. A Must Read for singles!

    • Ken Sande: The Peacemaker

      Ken Sande: The Peacemaker
      When conflict arises in your life, do you ever see it as an opportunity to glorify God? You will after you read this book. Ken Sande provides clear, biblically-based thinking on conflict resolution.

    • Charles Spurgeon, Roy H. Clarke: Beside Still Waters

      Charles Spurgeon, Roy H. Clarke: Beside Still Waters
      This daily devotional features a collection of C.H. Spurgeon's writings on suffering, faith, and perseverance in trials. My copy is exceedingly highlighted. Recommended for every Christian, but especially for those whose faith is flagging due to trials or disappointments.

    • Joshua Harris: Boy Meets Girl

      Joshua Harris: Boy Meets Girl
      This is my favorite Josh Harris book. I highly recommend chapter ten, "When Your Past Comes Knocking," for those wrestling with past sexual sin. Josh candidly explores how to experience God's forgiveness, both to receive yourself and to extend to others.

    • Matthew Henry: The Quest for Meekness and Quietness of Spirit (Puritan Writings)

      Matthew Henry: The Quest for Meekness and Quietness of Spirit (Puritan Writings)
      It's good to read authors from different centuries, just to shake out the 21st-century ideas and tap into some timeless wisdom. Though this book requires some concentration to read, there is nothing else like it for learning to subdue your passions and cultivate contentment.

    • Paul Tripp: War of Words

      Paul Tripp: War of Words
      You know the old saying--women use WAY more words in any given day than men do. That's why this is a Must Read for every woman. The subtitle says it all: Getting to the Heart of Your Communication Struggles.

    • Paul Tripp: Instruments in the Redeemer's Hands

      Paul Tripp: Instruments in the Redeemer's Hands
      Have you ever found yourself at a loss to try to help or counsel someone else? Have you been too critical? Too impatient? Too disinterested? This book shows people in need of change how to help people who need change. It's a roadmap for grace when sinners counsel other sinners.

    • Paul Tripp: Lost in the Middle

      Paul Tripp: Lost in the Middle
      The subtitle is "Midlife and the Grace of God." An outstanding book! Don't let the "midlife" label turn you away. It will give you a Godward perspective whether you are tempted by a "quarter-life" crisis, "thirtysomething" crisis, or a full-blown "buy the Corvette and get a face lift" midlife crisis. A "crisis" is really just God showing us we've been putting our hopes into something other than Him. Paul Tripp challenges us to examine the harvest from our lives and not give up hope for planting a newer, more fruitful one in the future.

    • Joshua Harris: Stop Dating the Church

      Joshua Harris: Stop Dating the Church
      You may be experiencing a "lack of commitment" in many areas of your life, but there's one area for Christians that shouldn't be affected: commitment to the church. Not convinced? Read this book.

    • John Piper, Justin Taylor: Sex and the Supremacy of Christ

      John Piper, Justin Taylor: Sex and the Supremacy of Christ
      This book is a compilation of messages given at the 2005 Desiring God National Conference. In our sex-saturated society, this book is important for singles to read--not only because there are specific chapters included for single men and women--but because throughout the book God's glory is promoted and His original purpose for sex is celebrated without shame.

    • C.J. Mahaney: Sex, Romance and the Glory of God

      C.J. Mahaney: Sex, Romance and the Glory of God
      This is a Must Read for married men and those about to get married. I would even recommend it for single men who have converted as adults and who need to find a biblically-oriented guide to what God really intended in the gift of sex.

    • Carolyn Mahaney: Feminine Appeal

      Carolyn Mahaney: Feminine Appeal
      Many single women have asked me what books they should be reading in order to prepare for marriage--or even to better understand marriage in order to relate to their married friends. This is one of the Must Reads. Based on the principles found in Titus 2, Carolyn Mahaney addresses the virtues that all godly women (married and single) should emulate.

    • Carolyn McCulley: Did I Kiss Marriage Goodbye?

      Carolyn McCulley: Did I Kiss Marriage Goodbye?
      Of course I have to plug my own book. But remember, the title is a question, not a statement! The subtitle is the heart of the book: Trusting God with a Hope Deferred. A book for single women of all ages who want to understand what biblical femininity looks like for an umarried woman.